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but the real debate last night was between mitt romney and mitt romney. and being so contradictory, mr. romney opened a huge line of attack for the president. not just for 90 minutes, but for the 33 days until this election. and today in a blistering speech, the president took full advantage of the opportunity that romney's dishonest performance invited. >> when i got on to the stage, i met this very spirited fellow who claimed to be mitt romney. but it couldn't have been mitt romney. because the real mitt romney has been running around the country for the last year promising $5 trillion in tax cuts that favor the wealthy, the fellow on stage last night said he didn't know anything about that. the real mitt romney said we don't need any more teachers in our classrooms. but don't boo, vote. but the fellow on stage last night, he loves teachers. can't get enough of them. the mitt romney we all know invested in companies that were called pioneers of outsourcing jobs to other countries. but the guy on stage last night, he said that he doesn't even know that t
but the real debate last night was between mitt romney and mitt romney. and being so contradictory, mr. romney opened a huge line of attack for the president. not just for 90 minutes, but for the 33 days until this election. and today in a blistering speech, the president took full advantage of the opportunity that romney's dishonest performance invited. >> when i got on to the stage, i met this very spirited fellow who claimed to be mitt romney. but it couldn't have been mitt romney....
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if you go back and look at the primary debates, mitt romney was largely the same way. he's a vicious debater. he gets in there and his goal is to shred everyone who is on that stage. i think the only change from the primaries is that he took on the newt gingrich role of including the moderator in the beating he was trying to give. >> newt's advice. >> he took newt's advice. i don't think though that his alpha male sort of act necessarily worked on barack obama. i think barack obama is being criticized for not looking at romney when he was talking, for looking down, looking away, but i do think that barack obama's affect similarly was designed to appeal to a constituency. we were talking about this on the break. his affect probably was more appealing to a female voter. it's a subtle thing but i think it's important. >> another thing that was mentioned by mitt romney was education. but his true feelings weren't really that clear. they tended to come out during the campaign. watch this. >> and the key to great schools, great teachers. so i reject the idea that i don't bel
if you go back and look at the primary debates, mitt romney was largely the same way. he's a vicious debater. he gets in there and his goal is to shred everyone who is on that stage. i think the only change from the primaries is that he took on the newt gingrich role of including the moderator in the beating he was trying to give. >> newt's advice. >> he took newt's advice. i don't think though that his alpha male sort of act necessarily worked on barack obama. i think barack obama...
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for mitt romney a very different mitt romney. that's what we saw in this debate. mitt romney most of the time his hands are down at his sides. he used gestured to get his point across and the use of emblems to bring home a he message. check please. if he had three points, he'd say one, two, three and lay it out for us. very active and aggressive and pushing his agenda forward. the president on the other hand when we saw that foot up, we call that a sprinter's pose. he's ready to go and move toward forward. it's off balance and out of sorts. we saw that from the president through his debate. >> chris, the looking down for obama. i mean, it's well established at this point that they used the split screen shot for presidential debates. you're always on the camera, and he has romney tearing into him cart clai articulately, and obama looks like a defeated man. >> we're talking about body language. itself it means nothing but the perception means nothing. in that position where his head is down, he's writing down notes. he did it a lot, looking down occasionally or to j
for mitt romney a very different mitt romney. that's what we saw in this debate. mitt romney most of the time his hands are down at his sides. he used gestured to get his point across and the use of emblems to bring home a he message. check please. if he had three points, he'd say one, two, three and lay it out for us. very active and aggressive and pushing his agenda forward. the president on the other hand when we saw that foot up, we call that a sprinter's pose. he's ready to go and move...
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romney won the debate. last night romney was more skilled. it doesn't change the policies. >> ezra, will the strategy work in the next two debates that heavy here? will this vague strategy work with foreign policy and the next debate beyond that? >> i think that the obama team is going to be more ready for what romney's able to bring to the debate than they were in this one. they'll be prepared for romney to walk in and tell his credentials. romney will change up his strategy. in general first debates are lopsided. the incumbent tends to recover a little bit in the second debate. whether we'll follow that trend line is anybody's guess. >> thank you, ezra. appreciate it. now to the third person on stage at the debates last night, you. yes, you didn't have a vocal response, but let me tell you, every moment people like you were chiming in. twitter reports today that it was the most tweeted event in u.s. politics generating over 10 million tweets in 90 minutes. perspective, that means just six years, but now some critics say that the twitter exp
romney won the debate. last night romney was more skilled. it doesn't change the policies. >> ezra, will the strategy work in the next two debates that heavy here? will this vague strategy work with foreign policy and the next debate beyond that? >> i think that the obama team is going to be more ready for what romney's able to bring to the debate than they were in this one. they'll be prepared for romney to walk in and tell his credentials. romney will change up his strategy. in...
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>>> can mitt romney's strong debate performance last night become a turning upon for his campaign? joining me now, john sununu, former new hampshire governor and chief of staff to president george h.w. bush, now a top adviser to the romney campaign. governor, i know you're not going to be shy, so how do you think he did? are you pleased by the performance he's gotten rave reviews universally. >> what people saw last nigh, i think, was a president that revealed his incompetence, how lazy and detached he is, how he has absolutely no idea how serious the economic problems of the country are, and how he has failed to even begin to address them. and i think even the liberal press reacted with shock at this revelation, and i find it fascinating now this morning, after they've slept, to watch them all scrambling around to clean up the mess the president left on the floor last night. on the other hand, mitt romney came in with a lot of specifics, a lot of very sharp knowledge of issues not only with the obama version of bumper sticker numbers, but the governor showed that he understands po
>>> can mitt romney's strong debate performance last night become a turning upon for his campaign? joining me now, john sununu, former new hampshire governor and chief of staff to president george h.w. bush, now a top adviser to the romney campaign. governor, i know you're not going to be shy, so how do you think he did? are you pleased by the performance he's gotten rave reviews universally. >> what people saw last nigh, i think, was a president that revealed his incompetence,...
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if romney's goal for the first debate was to get a second look from voters, he succeeded. he was energetic and funny. came across as knowledgeable. especially to those tuning in for the first time. a clear winner in a handful. responders pick him as the winner by 40 points. uncommitted voters polled by cbs news called romney the winner by a 2-1 margin. and 56% said the opinion of romney changed for the better after last fight. 13% said that about the president. ron allen sat down with a group of undecided voters and watched the debate in colorado just a few miles for the university of denver. here's what he found. >> how many of you were impressed by governor romney? how many of you saw something in governor romney that you hadn't seen before? generally speaking. >> ultimately i think he's very compassionate. he seems like his poll is are defensible. >> i'm impressed by governor romney. especially with the hard hit about lack of specifics. >> have any of you now made up your mind? you're still all undecided. >> those stubborn undecided. you can hear more at 11:00 on msnbc.
if romney's goal for the first debate was to get a second look from voters, he succeeded. he was energetic and funny. came across as knowledgeable. especially to those tuning in for the first time. a clear winner in a handful. responders pick him as the winner by 40 points. uncommitted voters polled by cbs news called romney the winner by a 2-1 margin. and 56% said the opinion of romney changed for the better after last fight. 13% said that about the president. ron allen sat down with a group...
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governor romney dominated the debates, almost all the debates. people said, well, they weren't one-on-one. mostly they were. in the debates that mattered. he was one-on-one with rick perry and one-on-one with santorum. and the moderators treated it that way. he is underrated. his performance skills is underrated hen he has time to prepare. we'll see what happens in the next few weeks. the president will be under pressure. >> what now? what does the romney campaign do with this? >> i have a list of sort of what now questions up on the page. let's see how big the crowds are. let's see if the press has a bit of a a love affair with him. let's see if he can take the skills and the level of performance he had and translate it to interview and add on the stump. let's see if democrats start to panic. and let's see if chicago decides in the next 24 or 48 hours to say we need to turn the page with something new. another video or some other thing. but personal and performance matters. if governor romney can sustain his performance the president faces a lot
governor romney dominated the debates, almost all the debates. people said, well, they weren't one-on-one. mostly they were. in the debates that mattered. he was one-on-one with rick perry and one-on-one with santorum. and the moderators treated it that way. he is underrated. his performance skills is underrated hen he has time to prepare. we'll see what happens in the next few weeks. the president will be under pressure. >> what now? what does the romney campaign do with this? >> i...
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mitt romney's team knew that and mitt romney came into this debate determined to make it a debate. no one brought up green jobs. the moderator didn't bring up green jobs. mitt romney did to use it as a tool against the president. the president has to realize that his side and he is under the same obligation to drive the debate from his side himself. the moderator is not going to drive this debate. >> that's exactly right. that's sort of the point that i was trying to make about how the different approaches of romney and obama played very differently with this sort of a format and that romney just rolled over the format and made it about everything he wanted it to be. everything on domestic policy on which he is the weakest was just avoided because he drove the agenda of the debate. lehrer got rolled over by romney again and again. and it was the president's fault that he did not do the same thing. >> one more quick point. mitt romney is very, very hard to anticipate. we've been asking for months, how is mitt romney going to explain the deduction side of his $5 trillion tax cut. he'
mitt romney's team knew that and mitt romney came into this debate determined to make it a debate. no one brought up green jobs. the moderator didn't bring up green jobs. mitt romney did to use it as a tool against the president. the president has to realize that his side and he is under the same obligation to drive the debate from his side himself. the moderator is not going to drive this debate. >> that's exactly right. that's sort of the point that i was trying to make about how the...
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and i'm looking forward to having that debate. >> governor romney, two minutes. >> thank you, jim. it's an honor to be here with you, and i appreciate the chance to be with the president. i'm pleased to be at the university of denver. appreciate their welcome. and also the presidential commission on these debates. and congratulations to you, mr. president, on your anniversary. i'm sure this was the most romantic place you could imagine, here with me. congratulations. this is obviously a very tender topic. i've had the occasion over the last couple of years of meeting people across the country. i was in dayton, ohio, and a woman grabbed my arm, and she said, i've been out of work since may. can you help me? and yesterday i was at a rally in denver and a woman came up to her with a baby in her arms and said, ann, my husband has had four jobs in three years, part-time jobs. he has lost his most recent job. and we've now just lost our home. can you help us? and the answer is, yes, we can help. but it's going to take a different path. not the one we've been on. not the one the president
and i'm looking forward to having that debate. >> governor romney, two minutes. >> thank you, jim. it's an honor to be here with you, and i appreciate the chance to be with the president. i'm pleased to be at the university of denver. appreciate their welcome. and also the presidential commission on these debates. and congratulations to you, mr. president, on your anniversary. i'm sure this was the most romantic place you could imagine, here with me. congratulations. this is...
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and i also think that mitt romney has come off a series of really easy debates. we have to remember, mitt romney triumphed in a republican presidential field that was the worst republican presidential field in the history of the republican party. those are the debates he won. he was the one on the stage who did not look outright insane, compared to the rest of them. that isn't going to work for him tonight. he's going against the best debater mitt romney has ever been up against in his life. this is going to be, i think, a really great debate. >> preparing for this, i went back and looked at some of the 1994 debates between romney and kennedy, looking at some of that to see, you know, how does he deal with a democratic opponent? we've seen him debate a lot of republicans, but not a lot of democrats. and if it's half as fun as it was between him and ted kennedy, we are in for a very, very fun night ahead. lawrence, thank you for that, particularly on the rules. i think that was a really important point. we'll talk with you again soon. we are going to be getting mo
and i also think that mitt romney has come off a series of really easy debates. we have to remember, mitt romney triumphed in a republican presidential field that was the worst republican presidential field in the history of the republican party. those are the debates he won. he was the one on the stage who did not look outright insane, compared to the rest of them. that isn't going to work for him tonight. he's going against the best debater mitt romney has ever been up against in his life....
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mitt romney has done a lot of debates before but not like this. on the economy, he's got to strike a balance all year and as of late, things are not where we want them to be but here are ways that we are moving forward. i think the president has got that wrapped down. >> would you go for the home run or for the bases? >> 90 minute of showing his heart and that would be a home run if he did that. >> i think he needs to be better than that. obama is going to land a punch. >> thank you very much, mark and dana. as we go to break, we've got new poll numbers from our nbc wall street marist poll. in florida, president obama is a one-point lead over romney. in virginia, president -- another tight one, 48, 46. and up over 8 over romney, 51 to 43. stay tuned for our first presidential debate. more live from denver right after this. >>> there is no soviet domination of eastern europe and there never will be under ford administration. ♪ home of the brave. ♪ it's where fear goes unwelcomed... ♪ and certain men... find a way to rise above. this is the la
mitt romney has done a lot of debates before but not like this. on the economy, he's got to strike a balance all year and as of late, things are not where we want them to be but here are ways that we are moving forward. i think the president has got that wrapped down. >> would you go for the home run or for the bases? >> 90 minute of showing his heart and that would be a home run if he did that. >> i think he needs to be better than that. obama is going to land a punch....
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i think romney's very good in these debate settings carrying out prescripted attacks. sticking to the script, he can be very effective. >> who can't? you're reading somebody else's script. who can't be? >> there's a common trait among people who have run against mitt romney, democrat and republican. >> they don't like him. >> they don't like him. mccain, by all indications, obama. >> that's why mccain picked hallen, he couldn't stand romney. >> if romney is good at carrying out these attacks, and obama brilss at his criticism, is it easy for romney to get under his skin? obama said to hillary clinton, you're likeable enough, hillary. >> was that smugness or -- he did it spontaneously. i agree, it was terrible. >> can romney knock him off his game by getting under his skin. >> what would drive obama crazy? >> these broad stroke indictments of the last four years -- >> bob, it's something truly serious tonight, it could get ugly. we're hearing all this stuff leaking from the romney camp how he's going to hit him on dishonesty. i don't know how somebody stands on a platfo
i think romney's very good in these debate settings carrying out prescripted attacks. sticking to the script, he can be very effective. >> who can't? you're reading somebody else's script. who can't be? >> there's a common trait among people who have run against mitt romney, democrat and republican. >> they don't like him. >> they don't like him. mccain, by all indications, obama. >> that's why mccain picked hallen, he couldn't stand romney. >> if romney is...
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i don't think mitt romney will be able to do that effectively during the course of the debate, because in the debate he has to try to appeal to the middle. i think they wanted to get a little something out there for the base, so is that they would have -- so that today they could be, you know, talking about that horrible, you know, barack obama, the black man, in advance of the debate. >> yeah, absolutely, shock, horror, barack obama is a black man. michael, i've read your outstanding piece in which you talk about the fact that the process of fact-checking by voters has actually declined. it's almost a suggestion we've had so many lies through this campaign, and i can think of at least 60 delivered by the romney/ryan camp, that people are just not responding to it anymore. >> you know, the irony is the press is actually much better at calling out these deceptions but the public has not yet shown they are willing to move on these deceptions. they don't -- they for give their own guy for deceiving and they love blaming the other guy for deceiving. there hasn't been any punishment. if you
i don't think mitt romney will be able to do that effectively during the course of the debate, because in the debate he has to try to appeal to the middle. i think they wanted to get a little something out there for the base, so is that they would have -- so that today they could be, you know, talking about that horrible, you know, barack obama, the black man, in advance of the debate. >> yeah, absolutely, shock, horror, barack obama is a black man. michael, i've read your outstanding...
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the second possibility is, you know, something goes wrong for romney, he actually loses this debate. obviously that would be terrible for him now the third possibility, to be honest, probably the most likely one is nothing happens it is pace basically a draw, maybe 90 minutes of dull and boring television if that happens, the status quo in this vase affirmed. the status quo in this race has been a steady, stub burn three or four-point lead for barack obama and at that point, romney would be running out of big-moment opportunities to turn this thing around. that's what i'm looking for. here with us now in denver, we have howard fineman, the "huffington post" media group. said he is the buffalo bob of our show. >> now i'm don meredith because don meredith always used to say on monday night football, when the game was nearly over, woe start singing. ♪ the party's over but not there yet. >> bring you back to sing at some point, heward. before we do that, we have another task and i thought howard would be the perfect guy to lead this off. basically, we want to look ahead to this debate
the second possibility is, you know, something goes wrong for romney, he actually loses this debate. obviously that would be terrible for him now the third possibility, to be honest, probably the most likely one is nothing happens it is pace basically a draw, maybe 90 minutes of dull and boring television if that happens, the status quo in this vase affirmed. the status quo in this race has been a steady, stub burn three or four-point lead for barack obama and at that point, romney would be...
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mitt romney has got to -- i think he will define the debate in this answer, whether he is going to be defensive about it or whether he is going to got offense about it. i think that will probably define the whole debate, because it is going to be about the economy tonight. >> these tapes do matter, at least one tape will matter, and that being the one at the private fund-raiser? >> tamron, what i'm talking about everybody is throwing out the videos, a gotcha moment. i think the voters that matter, the undecided, are not concerned about the videos but the direction of the country. i think at 9:00 tonight, the first time, we are going to see both of these folks on stage giving their personal views on what they want to do with this country. i think that's going to be the moment that matters. >> let me get michael n you talked to people all day around the country. some of those people, conservatives, many i imagine are independents as well. i'm curious, off situation here, i know chip said some people on the other side. but you have the drudge report, the daily caller, some of the biggest
mitt romney has got to -- i think he will define the debate in this answer, whether he is going to be defensive about it or whether he is going to got offense about it. i think that will probably define the whole debate, because it is going to be about the economy tonight. >> these tapes do matter, at least one tape will matter, and that being the one at the private fund-raiser? >> tamron, what i'm talking about everybody is throwing out the videos, a gotcha moment. i think the...
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. >> what's the mood inside mitt romney's debate preps? >> oh, i think he's working hard and eager to get out there and do it. i imagine they both are. you prepare and prepare and want to go out and debate and he's going to present the choice before the american people. we can go on the way we are, which is not all that viable or we can have a change of policies and get the economy moving and the deficit reduced. he's been practicing and i'm sure he'll give a good message tonight. >> one of the troubling factors for him throughout the last couple weeks has been the battleground states, likely voters, battleground states ohio, how do you catch up? how do you thread the needle if you cannot catch up in ohio? >> i think -- this is my belief about independent voters when the stakes are this high, they gather all the information they can before deciding and then they tend to break late and that's what they're going to do and the stakes are usually high. we can't go on -- 1.3% growth, median family income going down and they got a choice to make
. >> what's the mood inside mitt romney's debate preps? >> oh, i think he's working hard and eager to get out there and do it. i imagine they both are. you prepare and prepare and want to go out and debate and he's going to present the choice before the american people. we can go on the way we are, which is not all that viable or we can have a change of policies and get the economy moving and the deficit reduced. he's been practicing and i'm sure he'll give a good message tonight....
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it is teed up to be a debate about big ideas. is mitt romney going to deliver? >> i am sure that part of the reason this video is out there, just the day before, is to give romney the opportunity to, perhaps, reference it when you talk about the role of government, when you talk about the economy, he's got some phrases he likes to use about more people being on welfare and all of that, so i would imagine we'll hear some of that. i actually disagree with something mark said. i think this was very much a play for the base. even our nbc news poll, 23% of people said, that 47% comment made them like mitt romney better. so there are people out there who agree with those comments. >> aren't they locked up already? that's a question -- >> no. because remember we've also seen reuters has had the polling and a lot of polling that show some low-income southern whites are thinking he's too richy rich. what it shows is he's still in trouble with his own base and now, you know, obviously the way the white house is trying to set this up, the president is going to talk about v
it is teed up to be a debate about big ideas. is mitt romney going to deliver? >> i am sure that part of the reason this video is out there, just the day before, is to give romney the opportunity to, perhaps, reference it when you talk about the role of government, when you talk about the economy, he's got some phrases he likes to use about more people being on welfare and all of that, so i would imagine we'll hear some of that. i actually disagree with something mark said. i think this...
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he can't let romney control this debate and that's what i think romney's going to try to do. paint the picture. you're talking about not only explaining what you did, what you inherited, this fiscal mess, the number of jobs you created, but where you're going to lead this country and then contrast that strongly and put romney on the defensive about the fact how can you actually tell the american people that the policies you support, which are the same that created this mess, are going to lead us to a different direction and then don't filibuster. i love the president, but boy, he has a tendency to go on and on in some of those questions and in a debate, that can get you in trouble. >> get in, get out. new polling is showing mitt romney has narrowed the gap. good news for him. in the last two weeks and your tips, you said the governor needs to show passion for the country and it people. what does he say to voters to do that because there is still the sting from that 47% remark that people are not walking away from that is resognating. >> one of the things we often had conversa
he can't let romney control this debate and that's what i think romney's going to try to do. paint the picture. you're talking about not only explaining what you did, what you inherited, this fiscal mess, the number of jobs you created, but where you're going to lead this country and then contrast that strongly and put romney on the defensive about the fact how can you actually tell the american people that the policies you support, which are the same that created this mess, are going to lead...
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is mitt romney going to work this into the debate? >> you saw mitt romney's op-ed in the "wall street journal" monday. a three levelled argument about economic growth, reasserting american values and doing something different than the obama administration has done on foreign policy as it relates to the arab spring. i think if the governor wants to, he can use this format, which is open ended on the economy, talk about the economy, but also about american strength and how that can or will be affected in the future economically. so i wouldn't be surprised at all if what you saw in that op-ed that governor romney wrote for the "wall street journal" doesn't become part of a response to a larnler conversation about not just economics in america, but the economic projection, the values projection and foreign policy pro jex. >> let me ask you about the deb krzyzewskied. it's going to be six segments. the moderator has some ability to let it go and bring the conversation more broadly. breathe more than we've seen in the past. does that favor
is mitt romney going to work this into the debate? >> you saw mitt romney's op-ed in the "wall street journal" monday. a three levelled argument about economic growth, reasserting american values and doing something different than the obama administration has done on foreign policy as it relates to the arab spring. i think if the governor wants to, he can use this format, which is open ended on the economy, talk about the economy, but also about american strength and how that...
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if the debate doesn't move romney's numbers in ohio he may face the same decision al gore faced in 2000 whether to take the pr hit. all of this explains why tonight's debate is so crucial. >> it is spectacular and i have never seen it before. >> a 726 foot monument to government infrastructure. in denver romney's break time was lunch to chipotle. the candidates off the trail on tuesday and the two men picked up the slack. >> how they can justify, how they can justify raising taxes when the middle class has been buried the last four years. >> well, reporters were buried by romney's press releases on that comment. paul ryan reacted to it. >> vice president biden just today said that the middle class over the last four years has been, quote, buried. we agree. that means we need to stop digging by electing mitt romney the next president of the united states. >> biden clarified his remarks saying, quote, the middle class was buried by policies that romney and ryan supported. the romney campaign tries to make the stick calling a conference call and then holding a press conference in denver th
if the debate doesn't move romney's numbers in ohio he may face the same decision al gore faced in 2000 whether to take the pr hit. all of this explains why tonight's debate is so crucial. >> it is spectacular and i have never seen it before. >> a 726 foot monument to government infrastructure. in denver romney's break time was lunch to chipotle. the candidates off the trail on tuesday and the two men picked up the slack. >> how they can justify, how they can justify raising...
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i also think mitt romney will bring this up in the debate. something that was spoken yesterday in charlotte, north carolina, by our dear friend joe biden. roll it. >> the romney/ryan tax plan will raise taxes on middle-class families with a child, one or more children, by an additional $2,000 a year. how -- all kidding aside, with all the boos, look, guys, this is deadly earnest, man. this is deadly earnest! how they can justify, how they can justify raising taxes on the middle class that's been buried the last four years, how in lord's name can they justify? >> god bless him. >> mark mckinnon -- i love him. mike, we love him. we love him! has anybody not told him, they've been in the white house for the past four years? buried? the middle class has been buried over the past four years. >> joe, i am being deadly earnest now, man. deadly earnest. okay? on how anybody -- how anybody can attempt to bury the vice president is beyond me. >> i'm not trying to bury him. i got a good laugh out of it. mark mckinnon, you think we may hear the middle cl
i also think mitt romney will bring this up in the debate. something that was spoken yesterday in charlotte, north carolina, by our dear friend joe biden. roll it. >> the romney/ryan tax plan will raise taxes on middle-class families with a child, one or more children, by an additional $2,000 a year. how -- all kidding aside, with all the boos, look, guys, this is deadly earnest, man. this is deadly earnest! how they can justify, how they can justify raising taxes on the middle class...
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romney's team has concluded that debates are about creating moments and has equipped him with a series of zingers that he's memorized and has been practicing on aides since august. the zinger strategy apparently includes luring president obama into appearing smug or evasive in his responses, especially on questions of the economy. this is where jimmy fallon comes in. >> tomorrow is the first of three debates between myself and president obama. i'm looking forward to having a serious conversation with my opponent about the issues. i've always prepared a few zingers for the occasion. for example, when we greet each other on stage before the debate, i'll put my finger on obama's tie and say, there's something on your tie. when he looks down, i'll slide my finger from his sternum to his nostrils and say, boop. for instance, when obama is talking during the debate i'll interrupt him and say that's what she said? ha, ha, ha. gets them every time. last week, my campaign leaked a memo telling everyone to lower expectations for my performance in these debates. as we all know barack obama is an
romney's team has concluded that debates are about creating moments and has equipped him with a series of zingers that he's memorized and has been practicing on aides since august. the zinger strategy apparently includes luring president obama into appearing smug or evasive in his responses, especially on questions of the economy. this is where jimmy fallon comes in. >> tomorrow is the first of three debates between myself and president obama. i'm looking forward to having a serious...
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the first debate between barack obama and mitt romney is tomorrow night. and the campaigns are doing whatever they can to get ready. actually i heard that the obama campaign is a little worried because during his flight to nevada on sunday the president apparently watched four hours of football instead of studying. although it did mark the first time all year obama's seen something get passed. very interesting. >> tonight jimmy welcomes funny man martin short, actor logan and a musical guest. that's at 12:35, 11:35 central time on your local nbc station. >>> tmz is reporting a trouble on the set of "american idol." we knew this was coming, right? >> is it set up, though? is it real. >> we shall see. new judge nikcki minaj threatend to knock out mariah carey over a disagreement on a contestant. she said she's not going to put up with her highness. we cleaned that up for tv. >>> the sing he's of the best-selling duet in pop music history, "you're the one that i want" will be reuniting. they have a holiday album coming out. proceeds go to charity. >>> liam ne
the first debate between barack obama and mitt romney is tomorrow night. and the campaigns are doing whatever they can to get ready. actually i heard that the obama campaign is a little worried because during his flight to nevada on sunday the president apparently watched four hours of football instead of studying. although it did mark the first time all year obama's seen something get passed. very interesting. >> tonight jimmy welcomes funny man martin short, actor logan and a musical...
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so again, not casting dispurgss, but why do this the night before the debate? >> all of the discussion, all of the speculation in the political media is about how high the stakes are for mitt romney tomorrow night. so it changes the subject a little bit. it's a bright, shiny object. it diverts attention away from the huge expectations that he has. mitt romney's lost control pr an expectations perspective to reality. he's behind in the race. he has to have a good debate performance to begin to close the gap to get back in the race and to get ahead of president obama if he's to be elected president. >> so this is sort of a safe -- obviously the romney campaign is hoping they do very well. if they do well, they can pretend this story didn't happen and try to get a bounce out of the debate. if they don't do well, they can fall back on this and hope it crowds out discussion of a bad debate performance? >> i watched the tape earlier online from the speech that the president gave five years ago. i think there's almost zero chance we'll be talking about this tape on th
so again, not casting dispurgss, but why do this the night before the debate? >> all of the discussion, all of the speculation in the political media is about how high the stakes are for mitt romney tomorrow night. so it changes the subject a little bit. it's a bright, shiny object. it diverts attention away from the huge expectations that he has. mitt romney's lost control pr an expectations perspective to reality. he's behind in the race. he has to have a good debate performance to...
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the first presidential debate one day away. this is the romney pre-game show. will mitt romney be held accountable for lies and distortions about president obama's record? we got a sneak preview of what happens when mitt romney is forced to tell the truth. a fox affiliate here in denver asked romney to explain what paul ryan could not, how he plans to pay for $5 trillion tax cut by only eliminating deductions. >> there's an option. you could say everybody is going to get up to a deduction and you could use your home mortgage deduction or others, health care deduction and fill that bucket, if you will, the $17,000 bucket that way and higher income people might have a lower number. >> at least the plan has a name. it's the bucket plan. mitt romney will cap deductions at $17,000 for all americans. is that good for the middle class? do the math. for rich americans, the cap, it just might be lower than that. he was very vague on that point as well. the big problem with romney's bucket plan besides being hilarious is it would only cover $1 to $2 trillion of the $5 tr
the first presidential debate one day away. this is the romney pre-game show. will mitt romney be held accountable for lies and distortions about president obama's record? we got a sneak preview of what happens when mitt romney is forced to tell the truth. a fox affiliate here in denver asked romney to explain what paul ryan could not, how he plans to pay for $5 trillion tax cut by only eliminating deductions. >> there's an option. you could say everybody is going to get up to a deduction...
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john, this is not officially a disaster of debate prep for mitt romney. you know, as you know, debate handlers have come up with zingers before to candidates, but they do not leak to the media ahead of time that they have a big bag of zingers ready to go. they actually try to let the candidate take some credit for being clever and quick on his feet. this is now a hopeless situation for romney. >> i've become increasingly convinced when they're talking about zingers they're talking about the hostess snack cakes. there's been so much telegraphing of punches of the romney campaign not only with the zinger comments but also last week when they started telegraphing the notion they were going to take on the president on his vars veracity, they were going to challenge his onsti. they're tal graphed so gratuitously, it makes me think that some of these things must be decoys and that mitt romney is not going to try to throw zingers on him or he's going to do what he does need to do which is to look presidential. there's still a huge number of people in the country
john, this is not officially a disaster of debate prep for mitt romney. you know, as you know, debate handlers have come up with zingers before to candidates, but they do not leak to the media ahead of time that they have a big bag of zingers ready to go. they actually try to let the candidate take some credit for being clever and quick on his feet. this is now a hopeless situation for romney. >> i've become increasingly convinced when they're talking about zingers they're talking about...
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and what will effect the debate tomorrow is mr. ryan in these comments makes the same case romney was making when he made the devastating 47% remarks. in ryan's case, he doesn't use the 47%. he picks a different figure. for him the figure is 30%. you may remember ryan himself his response to that disastrous tape of mr. romney at the fundraiser was that romney was, quote, obviously inarticulate in making his point about the proportion of americans who are dependent on the government, victims and not worth his time. here's how paul ryan makes that same point. >> the point is we are reaching a fiscal tipping point. the moral tipping point is even worse. the moral tipping point is before too long we could become a society we were never ever intended to be. we could become a society where the net majority of americans are takers, not makers. another great think tank runs great numbers. i'm kind of a numbers guy. 20% of americans get 75% of their income from the federal government. they are dependent. another 20% of americans get 40% of
and what will effect the debate tomorrow is mr. ryan in these comments makes the same case romney was making when he made the devastating 47% remarks. in ryan's case, he doesn't use the 47%. he picks a different figure. for him the figure is 30%. you may remember ryan himself his response to that disastrous tape of mr. romney at the fundraiser was that romney was, quote, obviously inarticulate in making his point about the proportion of americans who are dependent on the government, victims and...
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snoou. >>> mitt romney has been preparing for the debate by debating a republican senator, who's playing the part of president obama. yeah. meanwhile, president obama has been preparing for romney by debating an atm machine. ally bank. why they're always there to talk. i love you, james. don't you love me? i'm a robot. i know. i know you're a robot! but there's more in you than just circuits and wires! uhhh. (cries) a machine can't give you what a person can. that's why ally has knowledgeable people there for you, night and day. ally bank. your money needs an ally. >>> have you checked us out on facebook? the "politicsnation" nation conversation is going around the clock. today our facebook family cheered the voter i.d. decision in pennsylvania. anthony says, it's the best political news he's heard this season. and patricia says, i live in pennsylvania and this november i'm voting against anyone in the state that voted for the i.d. law. this photo of romney's getting lunch at chipotle in colorado was the other big hit of the day. heidi says, romney definitely looks out of his element. an
snoou. >>> mitt romney has been preparing for the debate by debating a republican senator, who's playing the part of president obama. yeah. meanwhile, president obama has been preparing for romney by debating an atm machine. ally bank. why they're always there to talk. i love you, james. don't you love me? i'm a robot. i know. i know you're a robot! but there's more in you than just circuits and wires! uhhh. (cries) a machine can't give you what a person can. that's why ally has...
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after all, he's seen romney in a few previous debate performances. >> will you follow your father's example? >> maybe. you know, i don't know how many years i will release. >> governor romney, you say you don't want to go and round up people and deport them, but you also say that they would have to go back to their home countries and then apply for citizenship. so if you don't deport them, how do you send them home? >> well, the answer is self-deportation. >> rick, i'm speaking. >> the newspaper -- >> i'm speaking. i'm speaking. you get 30 seconds. >> time for you -- >> this is the way the rules work is i get 60 seconds -- >> but the american people want the truth. >> you get 30 seconds to respond. anderson? >> 10,000 bucks? $10,000 bet? >> by the way, new polling shows nearly 40% say the debates will be important to their vote. let's get to our panel now. dana mill bank, political cl columnist, michael crowley, and here in new york ron christie. dana, if i might start with you. an insightful political observer such as yourself has seen these two gentlemen in many a debate. but if your path
after all, he's seen romney in a few previous debate performances. >> will you follow your father's example? >> maybe. you know, i don't know how many years i will release. >> governor romney, you say you don't want to go and round up people and deport them, but you also say that they would have to go back to their home countries and then apply for citizenship. so if you don't deport them, how do you send them home? >> well, the answer is self-deportation. >> rick,...
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poll showing that president obama is expected to win the debate by a51% and mitt romney by 29%. it seems like president obama is more highly anticipated as the winner of the debate. do these sort of expectations setting games actually work for voters? >> i don't think they matter too much for the voters. it's a lot of fun for us to talk about. you know, as the comedy that you were just playing before suggested, if either one of these guys gets a complete sentence out, it should be a surprise to all of us. look, i think that it -- it matters a little bit on the margins, working the reporters who then report to the public. by and large i think the public is pretty good at making its own judgments. i don't think people walk in going, well, my expectations is about a 4, so if he gets a 6, i'll vote for him. if he gets a 5, no way. i don't think it works that way for most voters. >> i saw an interesting tweet come across the twitter this morning from carole simpson. she said debates are about style and not substance, despite what campaigns say. does he look and sound good is he perso
poll showing that president obama is expected to win the debate by a51% and mitt romney by 29%. it seems like president obama is more highly anticipated as the winner of the debate. do these sort of expectations setting games actually work for voters? >> i don't think they matter too much for the voters. it's a lot of fun for us to talk about. you know, as the comedy that you were just playing before suggested, if either one of these guys gets a complete sentence out, it should be a...
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there are three things mitt romney must too twoin the presidential debate on wednesday. unfortunately, nobody knows what they are. he says the rom knee campaign is never in a state of disarray. roger simon joins us from the sight of the showdown. denver. people overseming this when i use the world showdown, it took my breath away. i don't know what to expect tomorrow. >> this is the most consciously theatr theatrical part of a presidential campaign. we accept the fact that these two men, these two nominees have been rehearsing. they've been sitting or standing on mock stages. they've been memorizing lines. they have onpponents acting the part. yet, the trick is to use a consciously theatrical process to convey sincerity. it's tough. if there is a winner, it's going to be the person who does that. >> absolutely. you say that there are three things that can happen at the debate for romney, and two of them will get him in trouble with his party. what do you mean by that? >> well, he can be above the fray. this is what he was. act presidential and calm. this is how he won mo
there are three things mitt romney must too twoin the presidential debate on wednesday. unfortunately, nobody knows what they are. he says the rom knee campaign is never in a state of disarray. roger simon joins us from the sight of the showdown. denver. people overseming this when i use the world showdown, it took my breath away. i don't know what to expect tomorrow. >> this is the most consciously theatr theatrical part of a presidential campaign. we accept the fact that these two men,...
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mitt romney has never debated a single person in a very long time. so i think we're all looking for fireworks and attacks and back and forth. i think at least the first half of the debate and maybe the entire first debate. remember, this is first of three. the entire first debate could be a little bit of a feeling process where no one takes any big risks getting to know one another in their debate style. i certainly could be proven wrong, but my guess is it's less fireworks than we currently are expecting. >> it's in the capable and experienced hands of jim lahr, and we'll see what happens tonight as well as tonight. the 6:30 release, and tomorrow morning at 6:00 a.m., it is new battleground polls for ohio, virginia, florida. that's going to be very important news as well. the nbc "wall street journal" mariss polls. we saw a narrow iing of the polls initially. that is still very much in play. >> i can't wait. a political junkie's dream with all that polling coming up. i can't help but smile. >> we love to see you smiles. that does it for us for this
mitt romney has never debated a single person in a very long time. so i think we're all looking for fireworks and attacks and back and forth. i think at least the first half of the debate and maybe the entire first debate. remember, this is first of three. the entire first debate could be a little bit of a feeling process where no one takes any big risks getting to know one another in their debate style. i certainly could be proven wrong, but my guess is it's less fireworks than we currently...
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right now, at this very moment, mitt romney and barack obama are holed up in last-minute debate prep for tomorrow night's main event. speaking to a volunteer nevada yaeds, president obama made it sound like a college cram session minus the no doze and pizza. >> basically they're keeping me indoors all the time. it's a drag. they're making me do my homework. >> governor romney, however, may have twice the work load. he'll have two opponents on stage tomorrow, president obama and himself. eugene robinson write in "the washington post" -- it prompts to be an epic clash. mitt romney versus mitt romney. oh. and president obama will be there too. this conundrum of what we'll call the paradox of the mittens, dates back to 1994 when senator ted kennedy dropped this debate heat rock. >> on the question of the choice issue, i have supported the row v raid wade, i am pro choice, my opponent is multiple choice. >> so which bubble will the multiple choice candidate fill in on tomorrow night's test? which mitt will triumph on stage. even members of the conservative establishment aren't sure. bill
right now, at this very moment, mitt romney and barack obama are holed up in last-minute debate prep for tomorrow night's main event. speaking to a volunteer nevada yaeds, president obama made it sound like a college cram session minus the no doze and pizza. >> basically they're keeping me indoors all the time. it's a drag. they're making me do my homework. >> governor romney, however, may have twice the work load. he'll have two opponents on stage tomorrow, president obama and...
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is this debate more romney against himself? critics paint him displaying this flaccid leadership. >> he has to present himself as a president who would represent all americans. he said that several times. he's practicing that debate line. here again, even when he engages with that comment, it reminds people of that 47% remark. you see him over the last couple of days. i think it was today there is an interview in the "denver post" where he seems to be softening his stances around immigration. here is a candidate looking at a huge deficit in some of these swing states, deficits among hispanics, deficits among women. he's got to make ground up in this 90 minutes. it's not a long time. he has to please republicans who have been calling for him to get more specific in terms of his plans around tax reform and all sorts of other ideas he has. he has a real tall order going into this debate. >> governor romney is dogged about the 47% remark. i want to show the interview he did this week with a local affiliate. >> if you could go back
is this debate more romney against himself? critics paint him displaying this flaccid leadership. >> he has to present himself as a president who would represent all americans. he said that several times. he's practicing that debate line. here again, even when he engages with that comment, it reminds people of that 47% remark. you see him over the last couple of days. i think it was today there is an interview in the "denver post" where he seems to be softening his stances...
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he can keep trying to shift the debate toward those romney weaknesses. in particular, the sense he's out of touch with the middle class. you'll hear the number 47 as often as obama can get it into the debate. >> you think he can come off as aloof. when you look at the polls, the one thing he's consistently exceeded mitt romney at is likability. >> right. yet he does have -- it's partly it's proffesorial. when he looks like john kennedy he's on an upslope. he's not so good when he thinks he is way ahead and konts respect an opponent. i have a hunch he is hearing that from his folks in that room in nevada saying, you can't make a mistake like that. >> part of it is who you compare him to. he's aloof compared to bill clinton. bill clinton has a touch. >> everyone is aloof compared to bill clinton. >> exactly. >> let's talk about mitt romney. strengths, weakness. >> mitt romney's strength is that he is, comes across as competent, as a capable human being. as somebody who projects an air of authority, especially when he talks about the economy. that is the pr
he can keep trying to shift the debate toward those romney weaknesses. in particular, the sense he's out of touch with the middle class. you'll hear the number 47 as often as obama can get it into the debate. >> you think he can come off as aloof. when you look at the polls, the one thing he's consistently exceeded mitt romney at is likability. >> right. yet he does have -- it's partly it's proffesorial. when he looks like john kennedy he's on an upslope. he's not so good when he...
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but yes, romney can do it, he was a smart guy, good in most of the debates for the republicans. on the other hand, obama's pretty smart too and there's not much expectation to think he's going to screw up. >> what about, john, playing to that dull incompetent thing? he said in his convention speech. he said, look, i'm not going to heal the world, not going to part the seas, i want to help you and your family. the message being maybe i'm not as charismatic, i'm not a superstar the way many of you feel about this man, but i'm a businessman and i want to save you from what's happening to this economy. doesn't he play it down the middle that way? >> that's always been the whole card he's had. but he's got to project the idea that he is competent, he is fluent in creating jobs and expanding the economy. and as the strategist, you know, tad, for al gore said that the tone he's got to take with obama is you should know by now that these policies aren't going to work. and i know better. >> john, what about the thesis, it's more than a thesis that if governor romney standing there with t
but yes, romney can do it, he was a smart guy, good in most of the debates for the republicans. on the other hand, obama's pretty smart too and there's not much expectation to think he's going to screw up. >> what about, john, playing to that dull incompetent thing? he said in his convention speech. he said, look, i'm not going to heal the world, not going to part the seas, i want to help you and your family. the message being maybe i'm not as charismatic, i'm not a superstar the way many...
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romney obviously did well enough in the primary debates to make it this far, no doubt. although most of his competition wasn't as tough as president obama. romney also had some memorable moments. >> i'll tell you what. $10,000 bet? >> i'm not in the betting business. >> the answer is self-deportation, which is people decide they can do better by going home because they can't find work here because they don't have legal departmentation to allow them to work here. >> i can't have illegals. rick, i'm speaking. i'm speaking. you get 30 seconds. this is the way the rules work here is i get 60 seconds. and then you get 30 seconds to respond, right? >> well, let's bring in democratic strategist chris ko kofinis and susan del percio. i think romney is going to lose his cool. susan, did governor chris christie think he was helping mitt romney by saying that the debate would just be turning this race upside down? what do you think? >> i think chris christie was just being chris christie. while you're correct, a lot of people were dampening expectations, chris said what a lot of p
romney obviously did well enough in the primary debates to make it this far, no doubt. although most of his competition wasn't as tough as president obama. romney also had some memorable moments. >> i'll tell you what. $10,000 bet? >> i'm not in the betting business. >> the answer is self-deportation, which is people decide they can do better by going home because they can't find work here because they don't have legal departmentation to allow them to work here. >> i...
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romney is a good debator. i'm just okay. but what i'm most concerned about is having a serious discussion about what we need to do to keep the country growing and restore security for hard-working americans. that's what people are going to be listening for. that's the debate that you deserve. >> a new national washington post poll of likely voters shows president obama polling at 49% and mitt romney at 47% but among likely voters in the swing states, president obama leads mitt romney by 11 points. 52%-41%. tonight the forecast is president obama will within 320 electoral college votes. joining me now is steve and karen. karen, the expectation game has gotten really out of hand this time. finally chris christie, for whatever reason, just kind of gave up and stated the obvious and said well, of course. you know, mitt romney has to be the big winner on this first debate. >> well, i think he was like look, let me keep my credibility in check because he's been watching what has happened to congressman ryan over the
romney is a good debator. i'm just okay. but what i'm most concerned about is having a serious discussion about what we need to do to keep the country growing and restore security for hard-working americans. that's what people are going to be listening for. that's the debate that you deserve. >> a new national washington post poll of likely voters shows president obama polling at 49% and mitt romney at 47% but among likely voters in the swing states, president obama leads mitt romney by...
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the other surprising thing from the first debate was that the name mitt romney was never mentioned in that first debate. mitt romney who was the governor of massachusetts who introduced scott brown, who once ran for senate himself, whose campaign senior adviser is also scott brown's campaign senior adviser, and the guy who is the republican nominee for president, he was never mentioned in the first debate. but tonight that oversight was remedied. >> this is a quote from you. when it it comes to dealing with economic issue, there's no one i would trust more than mitt romney. would you be an ally? >> you pointed out about the dysfunctionality of washington. when i went down there, i thought it was dysfunctional and when i got there, it's worse. you see it every day. that's why i'm taking great pride and speaking to the independent voters of massachusetts. i vote about 50% with my party and 50% with the democratic party. that's different than what professor warren would do. i don't work for anybody. i don't work for president obama or mitt romney or harry reid. >> it is striking that you
the other surprising thing from the first debate was that the name mitt romney was never mentioned in that first debate. mitt romney who was the governor of massachusetts who introduced scott brown, who once ran for senate himself, whose campaign senior adviser is also scott brown's campaign senior adviser, and the guy who is the republican nominee for president, he was never mentioned in the first debate. but tonight that oversight was remedied. >> this is a quote from you. when it it...
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. 31% expect mitt romney to win the debate. and presumably that expectation will color the way those viewers watch that debate. >> yeah. it could. i mean, maybe this is the one risk maybe the biggest risk for the obama campaign that if the bar is set that high, if there's sort of an even match, if romney kind of holds his own, isn't clearly blown out of the water or anything like that, that people say he exceeded expectations. so what looked like a draw ends up being interpreted by the viewers or the media, or if the media is looking to sell the horse race angles, maybe they start portraying the draw as a romney win. the expectations for his performance were so low, kennedy outdebated romney but the effect of that was mogfied because the expectations were so low. that might be the biggest risk here for the obama people that the expectations of the voters and probably the press too that obama will win. so maybe nothing short of a clear win can be a little problematic for them. >> let's consider what some conservatives are saying
. 31% expect mitt romney to win the debate. and presumably that expectation will color the way those viewers watch that debate. >> yeah. it could. i mean, maybe this is the one risk maybe the biggest risk for the obama campaign that if the bar is set that high, if there's sort of an even match, if romney kind of holds his own, isn't clearly blown out of the water or anything like that, that people say he exceeded expectations. so what looked like a draw ends up being interpreted by the...
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i think in the debates romney has two big problems that he's got to try to overcome. one is mathematics. he's got to show what loophole he's going to close. the second is authenticity. he's got to show that authentically he's someone that cares about average working people. he hasn't done both. he's losing ground because of both problems. >> when you look at the new gallup poll, be for example, it shows that the majority of americans think that the president is a better candidate for the middle class. 53% for president obama, thinking he's better for the middle class. romney, 43. and then you go to the president, who will the president do more to favor? middle class, wealthy, 66% say middle class. 17% say wealthy. who will mitt romney do more to favor? 35% say middle class, 57% say wealthy. how does romney overcome this overwhelming view that he is going to serve the wealthy and he doesn't serve or care about the middle class? >> i think romney has to be able to be accessible, number one, during the debate, as robert mentioned. but he also has to have a conversation w
i think in the debates romney has two big problems that he's got to try to overcome. one is mathematics. he's got to show what loophole he's going to close. the second is authenticity. he's got to show that authentically he's someone that cares about average working people. he hasn't done both. he's losing ground because of both problems. >> when you look at the new gallup poll, be for example, it shows that the majority of americans think that the president is a better candidate for the...
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governor romney, he's a good debater. i'm just okay. >> nbc's chris tin welker is live and joins us from las vegas not far from henderson, nevada, where the president is preparing for wednesday night. good afternoon, kristin. the last time i heard such a chorus of lowering expectations was when pinklynn thomas got into the ring with tyson only for tyson to land a flurry of 16 punches. is this more about avoiding embarrassment as opposed to landing a killer blow? >> reporter: well, i think it is, martin. i think you're absolutely right. one more point about mike tyson though, it was right here in las vegas that he did some serious damage to evander holyfield's ear. so i think we're hoping wednesday night's debate doesn't get that ugly. but i think you're right. i think both candidates are really hoping to just walk away from wednesday night unscathed, and that will look like a victory for each of them. on mitt romney's part, his advisers say he has to get more specific about his economic policy. that's what voters want to
governor romney, he's a good debater. i'm just okay. >> nbc's chris tin welker is live and joins us from las vegas not far from henderson, nevada, where the president is preparing for wednesday night. good afternoon, kristin. the last time i heard such a chorus of lowering expectations was when pinklynn thomas got into the ring with tyson only for tyson to land a flurry of 16 punches. is this more about avoiding embarrassment as opposed to landing a killer blow? >> reporter: well, i...